Shug Goodlow is in the guest chair today. She’s the head verger at Christ Church Cathedral in St. Louis and also one of the hosts of this podcast. She’s interviewed by Barbi Click. The conversation began about Shug’s memories as a black child traveling with her family across the Mason Dixon line, the planning gatherings beforehand, mapping out safe places to stop and eat, the shoebox her grandmother prepared of food to take. The conversation continued to sharing memories of racism and how faith weaves in and out of those painful narratives.